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    Posted: 24 Nov 2013 at 12:47pm
What does it take to become a mentor?

I know you have to graduate from being a disciple.
I was told you have to have at least rank 5 in a skill.

I was told by someone that they tried to be someones mentor, but were told they are not good enough yet.  

This got me thinking, what all is needed to qualify to mentor someone?

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You have to finish the mentor program yourself 

Have at least 1 level 15 skill 

Account must be 6 months old
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I believe you mean 1 level 15 profession, not skill.

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You also cant mentor someone who has a higher level than yourself.
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Yes I meant level 15 profession. 
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As other have stated, level 15 proffession and 6 months of active account.
Also, I don't know if this still applies, but their highest skill needs to be lower than your lowest skill (Doesn't matter if their highest is tailoring rank4 and your lowest is scan humans rank5 as long as your lowest is higher than their highest).

This is the main reason the Orange Jumpsuits are recruited straight away.


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requirements for mentor.
skills required - complete mentor training
knowledge required - some basic understanding of the game and knowledge of all the maps. A couple of years experience would be a wise idea.
PED - you will generally have to subsidize your disciple. Beginner weapons and such are necessary items.
time - you have to be available for your disciple.
patience - a ton of it Smile

If you are looking for a disciple, it would be best if you found an experienced player that actually is online a lot. Don't just pick anyone, that usually doesn't work out. Find someone you know in game that you can get along with.

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Originally posted by cziak cziak wrote:

requirements for mentor.
skills required - complete mentor training
knowledge required - some basic understanding of the game and knowledge of all the maps. A couple of years experience would be a wise idea.
PED - you will generally have to subsidize your disciple. Beginner weapons and such are necessary items.
time - you have to be available for your disciple.
patience - a ton of it Smile

If you are looking for a disciple, it would be best if you found an experienced player that actually is online a lot. Don't just pick anyone, that usually doesn't work out. Find someone you know in game that you can get along with.


I am sorry, I play not even 2 weeks, I have still orange jumpsuit and Sollomate Rubios and I did not deposited and did not beg anything from my mentor. He bought my sweat for 2 peds, he helped me to find some TPs, but that was all.

I would feel bad to take things from him, in normal game and even more in EU, where even as non depositer, I would feel like I am taking his reall money away. 

I had problem even in WoW and others "normal" games to take 1 gold from highest level :-) Not to  mention  EU, where the money are much more valuable. 

But to be honest, just yesterday someone from society gave me ammo and rubios worth 4 PEDs. Of course I did not turned it down, since I had unlucky hunt just moment before, but I don't think it is neccessary to be sponzored.

I was choosing mentor even according to this. Some were offering money, some were saying "no begging" I choose the one who said "I will give you a hand and teach you basics", nothing more, no promises, no threatening and suspicing from begging even before we meet :)
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Well cziak, I can agree with most you say, but defenetly don't think mentor suppose to pay your ammo, guns and such. You know real economy games include real money.

If he wants he can give you some as he wish, but that not suppose to be requirement.

For example i take my diciples to team hunts and give them ammo for free, but it's my choice, not their requirement.
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I have to agree with angel there. A mentor giving you peds / ammo / guns, should be appreciated, not 'expected'.  The deciple needs to bring some skin to the table too.  I have yet to pick up any students, however to be honest, i am not out poaching them either like some of these others are, but even then I still try to help folks out a little when I can if they seem decent.

Any mentor who offers to pay you you need to stay very clear of  as they surely do not have your best interests in mind.  Those are the types who will generally not be around when you need them, treat you like crap and so on.

Also,Rabonzo, their highest skill has to be lower than your highest.  In  other words, if my highest skill is Rank 15, their highest skill anywhere can not be higher than rank 15.

The way you stated it nobody would ever be able to mentor, as pretty much all of us have zero or next to zero in one skill or another.


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Edited by Sluggo - 24 Nov 2013 at 10:45pm
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http://rp.apachenet.de/downloads/Entropia_Universe_Guide.pdf

I found this awesome guide it has helped me out alot it has everything you need to know about the game. The mentoring part is under mentoring the cool part is all you have to do is click on it and it will take you right to the page!
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Just a few other notes about mentors / mentees.    Some common sense stuff hopefully

1.  It helps to have a mentor that plays generally the same times that you do.  A mentor can't help you if they are never on.

2.  Talk to your mentor, make sure you two 'click', and are not of too different 'attitudes'.  If you are miss prim and proper an your mentor is mr yo man, back in  few man i gotta go burn a doob, the partnership is probably not going to work out for the best.  Not that there is anything wrong with either of these types of people now, but they are probably not the best partners.

3. Get to know your potential mentors philosophies, what is their mentoring style, what do they expect out of you, what do you expect out of them?  This is important.  Some people like to go at it mostly on their own, asking for their mentors assistance only when needed.  Some mentors have issue with this, they want to believe that you are their subservient student who will follow their every word and only act when told to. Some students are very 'needful' and this type is seen by the mentor as, geez im a teacher NOT a babysitter, good god!!  Make sure your mentor is good with your potential level of need.

4.  This is an international game.  Make sure your mentor speaks your language.  There are a lot of intricacies in this game, it is very involved, and many critical 'nuances' of an explanation may get lost in translation if your mentor is not very fluent in your language.

5.  Beware of the 'body snatchers'.  The ones who have a private message burning a hole in your screen the moment you materialize out of the noob generation device Mod 3 LOL   The ones promising you stuff if you pick 'them' to be your mentor.  The ones who say they will pay you etc.   They re doing it for all of the wrong reasons.  A mentor should be mentoring because they want to help people along, see the benfit of it, and how it benefits the game in whole, and not just mentor for a monetary gain as so may sadly seem to be doing nowadays.

6.  Ask how many active students a mentor currently has going?   If the guy has 50 deciples still waiting to graduate, is he really doing a good job of mentoring?  If that person has 50 people splitting their time up how much 'quality' time do they really have for you?  Now granted, it can take a long LONG time to graduate especially if you rarely deposit, but this might give you an idea if this specific mentor is just another one of those scooping up noobs, giving them crap for mentorship, yet the students don't want to drop the loser because they alreay invested 40 percent towards graduation and don't want to lose all that effort.  YES if you change mentors or kick a mentor, all your work towards graduation is lost.

7.  Don't be in a rush to get a mentor.  There are many people in game, and here on this forum even, that will be more than happy to answer your quesions.  While you don't want to wait forever to finally get a mentor, it's not something that HAS to be done within 3 days or else!!  You may find someone in game that is nice, friendly, is answering you questions and generally a decent person.  Ask them to be your mentor.  Someone who is willing to help those who are not their students is the prime example of what a mentor should be.  One who says; "I only help my students", or; "Go ask your mentor", you really don't want to deal with.

8.  Your teacher is there to help you, NOT be your on demand servant, NOT to be your cash cow.  While it is nice if a mentor helps their students out with a few ped here or there, maybe buy some sweat from them it is by no means required.  Your teacher has a life too, also wants to enjoy the game, you have to understand this and realize that somtimes they are busy and not able to help you immediately.

A little research and caution and you should have a very rewarding experience with your mentor, but please make sure you do use due diligence.  It really sucks being stuck with a crappy mentor because you are too far in to switch.

Unless you are dumping hundreds of peds into the game it's going to take several months to graduate.  Maybe I should re word this to say, the length of time you are a student depends on how fast you can dump hundreds of peds into the game. Make the best of it.

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The wiki guide on mentoring is quite detailed: it answers most questions one can have on the subject on mentoring.
I just would like to add some up-to-date information.

Since the introduction of Arkadia, the disciples that were born on Ark would receive an Adjusted Musca armor (and red jeep ofc) as graduation gift. This happened no matter on which planet you graduated.

However, this was bugged lately, so since 19-11-2013 it has officially been changed:
Now everyone, regardless on which planet you are born, will receive the armor from the planet you are graduating on.
So if you are graduating on Arkadia you receive the Musca, while on Calypso and all other planets, you receive the Pixie.

Note also, that this is already valid in the planet's space; so if you are in space, but inside the Arkadian 'quarter', you will receive the Musca too.

The Musca has a better overall balanced protection. However, the total protection remains the same as the Pixie.
Biggest difference is the dramatically different look, though that is a matter of taste.

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And the worth. Adj. Musca is around  140 -150 ped where the adj. Pixie is around 90 peds(full TT with no tiers).

Better to get the Musca in my opinion. Can always sell it and buy Pixie if you really want it.

I tried to graduate from the Arkadia space station but it did not work. Had to go planet side to complete my mentorship.
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