VR Jobs and Neverdie

Isn't the cost to MA for the developers there regardless?  I don't understand how implementing new ideas is an additional cost? The developers are paid to develop so let them develop some fresh ideas instead of the same old thing.  How many times has the game been updated, and with what - a different look.  Are they getting over on MA by backpedaling or coasting.  Let them design something more than a new look on old items.  Let them earn what they are paid by doing what they are paid to do - develop. 

Barnesy, are you a taxi driver?  You seem to be stuck on this dying job type.  It is time to move on.  Farms can make money for the game, if they are developed right.  Leisure centers can make money for the game, if they are developed right.  Entrepreneurship is the new driver, not the taxi.   Get on board.

Are you trying to join the MA team? Because this isn't with MA, its a private outside system that is tied in with ped gain within the game. So you'd be joining the EP team applying here, but i believe tia runs this ship solo and just has people hand out ped in game and reimburse them the cost they paid out. Just a volunteer program.

Have you been following the conversations? What do you think of my ideas?  Would they cost MA any more money than they already spend?  Have I only been approaching these ideas single-mindedly?

I don't want to be negative anymore, but I just want to have another opinion.  Are my ideas single-minded and selfish, in that it only benefits myself?  Or, am I being unjustly judged and out-rightly objected to for someone's personal gain of prestige in the eyes of others. 

The problem as I see it with the Explosive projectile manufacturers, is saturation.  Perhaps making a more random result would curtail this.  If people can easily make these and that is bad, then make it more hard for them to make them, or make the result a more random range of result.

As a friend of mine who works for a Huge missile company would tell you, there's bugs in them there bullets.  Easy at the higher levels will make the top heavy, this is why I say easy should be at the lower levels so they stick around longer, the diehards will stay regardless.  What I am saying is put a few bugs into the equation that will end up costing more to make them.  Really good payoffs should be a privilege of the highest stakes players, like inventors, if that profession ever gets implemented.

Sorry if I misunderstand anything you bring to the table, but I am still getting used to the acronyms and some of the ones you use confuse me.

Farming. 

Okay so take away the deed of the farm, rather we will just add it as a function of Land deeds from the player owned areas in the southern continent. The owner marks the area for farming and the taxes on fruit collection (same as hunt/mining 1-3/4%) so LA gets fruit as payment. 

I'm going to assume that the way to do it is have the area automatically put a seed point every so much in a grid formation rather then having players space out the seeds themselves, say every meter across a point is added so that there is a set number of nodes that gets used. This way the system puts it in upon setting up the area not on a per use level.

What i would have is that the LA buys the seeds and puts them into his LA's maintenance system, much like fertilizer for hunting mobs, and the point just plant automatically. This way people who can't afford seeds can still participate. Farmers then move from seed to seed watering or crop tending, and once the seeds fully grown, is distributed to first the LAs tax, and then the rest is split as evenly as possible between all the people who helped tend the crops for that section. 

There is a lot of problems with this method, but i think this will on the easier side of things to implement, the problem comes from the price of seeds vs the payout in tt from each planet point. Then the possible division between each player, since if 100 people farm and a tree pays out 50 fruit, we can't give players half a fruit. 

Maybe it could be set so that the owner pays out ped based on the contribution of each person from the total fruit collected in TT, If the owner can't pay it all out then the fruit is TT'd to compensate. And left over fruit can be traded / used and the owner profits from that. 

If there is a farm system implemented, there will need to be a separate use for the grown material, since this would have a negative impact on walkers who collect the current fruit / stones in the game. It may not need to be fruit, could be a synthetic oil or silk that could be used in crafting or something that could be used along side something else with improved results. (Farm Fruit might give only 50% nutrio bar efficiency against what we currently have) This would have a smaller impact on the prices since a more / less consistent source is available, but with a different efficiency based on the cost to obtain vs current methods. 

The LA would lose in TT value, which is standard against the game, been around 85 - 90% average, then the profit comes from MU or use. 

There is a maze of problem that come with implementing a system this big, that makes it a minimal negative impact on the current market, a standard 85% in TT return from the game and still a potentially profitable system by having it backed by use in the economy. I feel like this is still the best idea cause it makes use of LAs in another way, but i'm also worried that our current economy, specially with fruits, will not be able to handle this more consistent way of getting one resources (or randomized group)

Security,  

Still don't like this idea even if its just mobs, it only takes for no one to be around and then there is issues. Using the farming idea, if the owner puts 50Ped of seeds into the ground, and it just happens to be a dead time - I.e. midnight, a few minutes before / after servers close / open ect, and a mob just walks through and does damage and the bounty times out before anyone who can kill it shows up, then the farmer goes well i lost 10% seeds because no one is around. Then level issues show up, what if everyone is to weak, they spend a lot more on ammo then a high level person and they might not even kill it, which means some people won't even try to kill it. Even with 100% pay from LA, + the drop rates would have to be changed to adjust for the bounty payment, or else La's and hunters would find a system where the farmer can profit after bounty and the hunter can always profit on hunt, then the system becomes a cycle that gets abused. 

It could work, but i still think the best possible system would be a 1 sided system, either MA, the LA or the guard will win, won't be all 3 together and it can't bounce between the LA and guard consistently, this does also depend on whats been guarded and how that makes tt value to. 

Construction 

I don't understand how your going to implement them, you just went off on a tangent straight away.

Leisure 

I don't know how this will go, its another idea i haven't thought of, but i don't think it will work out to well for one single reason. 

While it could be a thrilling experience, your playing a game at a desk, 

You could go to a theme park and pay for a ride and enjoy it, but would you feel like you got your moneys worth if you paid someone and then went and put yourself on an in game replica of that ride in say roller coaster tycoon 3. You rode the same ride, but IRL you got thrown around and felt the wind and body movement and in the game you watched your camera get thrown around. While VR is more immersive in this, still missing out on the momentum of the ride which is a big part of the experience.

I don't feel like players would be willing to pay to have their avatar rock climb or run a course, horse ride, sky dive, ride a coaster. 

I could see the point of a movie theater but then what do you play? Copy right would be a problem and MA can't make a new movie to be shown every week. 

The only way this could be successful is if players get something out of doing it, which means it needs to be potentially profitable, which is a bit hard to do when they ride a roller coaster.  

Going of that, maybe we could have a Gym as well, and the owner has to buy / make the equipment and repair / replace the damaged items, and then he can charge people to use the equipment. The equipment can then be used as a stat booster, so dumbbells might increase your carry weight skill, running might let you run faster overall, things that let you train stats in an afk-able but more expensive kind of way. You could tie this into the farming where you eat farmed food to get energy that lets you exercise. 

Inventor - 

This one is a hard one to make, since we already have people who can change the colour of items so everything looks as people want it, but to invent new items is a lot harder, since most items )besides clothing) are stat based, people who invent new things wouldn't be in the line of balance that MA has set. With clothing, its possible, but then the cost to make / quality of the item still have to be worked into account, been an RCE game, also has to be balanced for. 

This newbie friendly - diehard stuff ?

MA can't really make the game more newbie friendly, because for every depo person they gain by helping them test everything out with a quicker grinding stage, there will be a hundred people staying and doing the grind because they are getting certain profit at that level, there are people in sweat groups with armor, guns ect that are sweating because its free and they can do it till they next depo, trade their stock off to their partner and so forth and their earning slowly while they wait. Its not meant to be a think you stay on for months at a time, its meant to be a trial period in which you put some effort in and you earn a little freedom to trial the game and see if you wish to pay for it. You set the trial length and how long before you feel you should depo. If you wish to truly play f2p, then you have to earn that with your first few years been an up hill grind. 

Life like -

Yes i can appreciate it been more life like, but there comes a lot of limitations with that, which is why even simulators and life like games 'without RCE' are still limited by the fact its a game. 

For the immersion we gain by having it more life like, there is a lot of life costs that we as players in a game don't have to worry about or pay for. As for the people who actually play this game to try and make a profit, they would also have harsher opinions for life like ideas then i do myself. Since life like is limited mineral pool, mob population management, food and requiring beds (so own / rent a house or room) if you do want a more life like experience that's fine, but you also have to accept the additional costs to play this game with more basic needs. Most players will not though.

TP's 

I enjoyed the use of Tps when i first played, its how i got around and explored for my first year to, which is why i also did not fully jump on removing the tp's side, merely put it out there as a possible solution. 

I'm well aware of the free rides mentors and richer players in general give. I know Tps are an improvement on the game, but they have hindered aspects of the player interaction, which is what this game is built off.

Cost of developing. 

Its not the implementation of new ideas and systems, that is the standard cost of developing. What i'm talking about is how that system affects the game. This is an RCE game, so if MA puts in Farming, they developed the system and they pay'd out in dev time for the hopes that they get more back in depos by players for that system, fair enough. The additional cost problem comes in later, when those players have built their farms, and the TT return is greater then the TT put in. Farmer buys 10 Ped seeds, he gets more then 10 ped back more often then not. MA has then  made a system that with just 10 Ped, is possible for the player to just make 10% every time TT, which means that the player is making money of the game, and been an additional cost to the developer instead of an income. Ped made in TT is money from MA, Ped lost in TT is profit for MA. 

I do not recall using this in a confusing way, but ill have a look later and adjust if i need to.  i've been on this for over an hour and need to go soon :(

Overhaul

Might as well make a new game if your gonna overhaul it, too many players will quit at the changes, as have many already have with changes over the last decade. People have put IRL houses on loans just to invest in this game, this is a major legal system that can and will slam on MA should they mess around with everything to make it a specific way. As for a 'stagnant pool' this isn't a game you play because its a fun interactive game, but because you like the community and the systems work well with you, the idea of making money while playing a game has brought you here, but you stay for what this idea has cultivated. This is a game that is played over a decade, like real life, its the same thing for weeks on end with slow changes for you to explore. 

And last but not least me 

I took up taxi driver as a primary job for a little while - when i first got the sleipnir mk1 and i had no ped - at the time 1 trip a day was a good day and my average, and that was fine. Once i got 5-10 ped i ended up going back into trading as my primary job and taxi became a usual side income, that made me a little money and helped new players with tp runs. 

I don't really need planet side taxes to improve for me, but it is an improvement for the community. 

Yes i would do more taxi runs if tps weren't around, but i use tp's to for trading and other things, so thats a catch 22, specially since trading makes me more money then taxi. However i know thats a job that many newer players could take up on been around 50 ped to get stuff together, cheaper if you buy a lower tt health ride. I know that TPs have killed a viable job that you yourself could have fitted into for a while to make some initial ped, but that is now lost to you just like it was when i started it. 

Yes i know farms can make a lot of money, but it is money that is coming out of real life not a game, the trouble with putting in a system that big is, as above, the impacts it can have on the economy are so big, and MA doesn't know how players will take this change into the economy. They will miss the turn over mark likely more then once and it will take months for them to see the price that we have set on it, an they have to guess that as best as possible so that the TT in and out overall flow with it in a profitable for MA and potentially profitable for players in a fair manner. 

P.S. Been a taxi driver makes me part of the entrepreneurship, your still missing the mark that money in this game comes from the players, and any system implement could hurt the game so much in just a few hours.

I remember last Halloween mayhem, the quest rewards they put were to high for the cost it would take to earn it, within a few days, so many people had taken the reward and made a lot of ped that they canceled a weeks payment off the CLD set. Been the first week of merry mayham, alot of people depo so we could have been at anywhere around 4ped for that week. Or in total for all deeds, 240K ped. 

That was the cost to players for a mistake that only existed for 3/4 days of potential abuse.